1998 Debate Area
20/Jun/98 9:44:52 - [ 207.79.35.34 ] from Haron ( write2u@altavista.net )
This site needs a section devoted to Robinson. His persistance and tenacity has allowed many good people to join this fraternity. There should be a concise biography plus a developement history with photos. I wonder if there is anyone in the company keeping a photographic archive, I hope so.
21/Jun/98 5:57:27 - [ 207.79.35.120 ] from Willard D. REEVES, Jr. ( wdrusmc@webtv.net )
First helicopter to be "LOOPED and ROLLED" was a CH-53a. This occured in 1968 in the Stratford Conn.,( Generaly Speaking ) Area.The pilot was, Marine Lt/Col.. John Gaye. The "MAIN ROTARS"____Were "CONSTANTLY CONING" through the manuevers !!
23/Jun/98 15:0:59 - [ 199.238.253.13 ] from D.B.Farrell ( )
Mention should be made concerning the evolution of the gryocoptor in the 1930's and the new conceptual designs which leap off the runway in a VSTOL 20 feet manner.
23/Jun/98 15:3:4 - [ 199.238.253.13 ] from D.B.Farrell ( )
Is this site limited to Helicoptor or can it include rotary wing history in general?
5/Jul/98 19:27:20 - [ 208.150.59.99 ] from MIckey Kopanski ( awacs@megsinet.com )
You need some pictures of the greatest helicopter currently flying...the Bell412!!!
9/Jul/98 21:18:53 - [ 203.96.119.172 ] from Sam Lee ( upnz@world-net.co.nz )
You will need Info and club for free.As well you shoud have your helicopters things to add's on tv.
11/Jul/98 17:12:23 - [ 152.163.197.212 ] from Raymond D. Payne USMC, RET. ( grubitz@aol.com )
I have to agree with Willard Reeves, the CH-53A was the first helicopter to be looped and rolled in real life.
A film of the maneuvers he refers to was required watching at NAMTD-1032 when I was instructing there.
In 1973(?) one of our (HMH-462)CH-53D's was bailed to a Sikorsky team to tour Japanese Self Defense Force bases.
During the tour the aircraft was looped and rolled numerous times and put through other strenuous but less spectacular maneuvers.
We were greatly concerned about what condition the aircraft would be in when we got it back but, not to worry, only routine
post-flight maintenance was required. The CH-53 series are worthy successors to the old DEUCE (CH-37C).
13/Jul/98 8:35:46 - [ 194.224.39.4 ] from ROBERTO VIGIL SAIZ ( helinor@mundivia.es )
My name is Roberto Vigil Saiz, I am of Cantabria a city to the north of Spain.
I am pilot of helicopters ,en the present time I am flying a helicopter Rotorway Exec 90 and he/she wanted to contact with some other pilot of this type of helicopters, to exchange information.
In Spain, it is the only helicopter of this type that this flying, and for that reason I have the necessity to exchange opinions with other people, since I have had to carry out infinity of modifications so that it flies well and with security.
My English so bad should apologize the knowledge that I have of the same one since they are very precarious. Waiting answer: a greeting, sincerely: helinor@mundivia.es
13/Jul/98 18:11:32 - [ 204.60.24.26 ] from helicopterman ( kohpoh@my-dejanews.com )
I'm looking for history of S-58/H-34 and FW61 first flown in 1937. Can anyone tell me where I can find this?
16/Jul/98 17:28:13 - [ 209.156.63.186 ] from Shu Pong ( helisphere@yahoo.com )
The first helicopter to LOOP was a Sikorsky S-52 and it was 1949.
20/Jul/98 22:16:14 - [ 24.1.160.36 ] from Lt.Col. Jerry Dooley, USMC (Ret) ( jerryeleanordoo@home.com )
Great web site!! The CH-53A which looped was flown
by Lt.Col.Robert P. Guay, USMC & a Sikorsky pilot, over Long Island Sound, off Bridgeport, Conn. The Sikorsky plants are at Stratford & Bridgeport.
23/Jul/98 14:43:15 - [ 161.196.243.71 ] from Edgar Trejo ( stgladys@cantv.net )
hello.
I live in venezuela and like the helicopters. This page is very interesting.
27/Jul/98 21:53:58 - [ 200.9.54.116 ] from Thorwald Westmaas ( thorwald@ilisa.com )
Does anybody know any Ultrasport 496 owners? I'd like to get some owner/builder comments before buying one.
30/Jul/98 10:52:8 - [ 207.50.242.46 ] from J.M. Camargo ( Pcamargo@cs.cs.com )
They was an a latin pilot who kills 20 people
in a festival accident. The accident ocurred in 1971 and the Helicopter
was a Navy´s Sikorsky S-58.
31/Jul/98 18:49:11 - [ 209.156.62.34 ] from Shu Pong ( Helisphere@yahoo.com )
The CH-53 wasn't even close to being the first helicopter to loop. 3/Ago/98 2:6:24 - [ 195.96.10.35 ] from Martin L. ( flyheli@yahoo.com )
How can I learn to fly a helicopter close to the limitations safely (e.g. max. g-force, high bank turns...)Unfortunately that isn´t part of a regular pilot training. I don´t wanna do it for fun but i consider this to be important to now how to handle such situations in emergency cases.
Do helicopter manufacturers offer such training for their types??
7/Ago/98 0:52:41 - [ 206.165.23.70 ] from joco ( )
I have video of a CH-53a 157546 doing loops and rools as a demonstration for the Japanese army. I also crewed this aircraft 20 years later and it is still flying today.
12/Ago/98 18:51:47 - [ 207.79.35.22 ] from TOMMY THOMPSON ( HETIH@webtv.net )
I disagree with you on the first loop in a helicopter. I made ten loops in the
Sikorsky S52 in 1949 and have video to prove it.
13/Ago/98 21:0:57 - [ 209.78.78.251 ] from shane warner ( sjwarner@lemoorenet.com )
13 aug 1998
shu pong....... you know everything shane
17/Ago/98 13:42:45 - [ 195.147.8.185 ] from David Alcindor ( DAlcindor@Yahoo.com )
Does anyone have a picture and/or details of
what I believe to be the Bell 553 Compound Research Helicopter? This is the one with two jet engines strapped to the side of the fuselage.
Thanks, David
25/Ago/98 5:3:44 - [ 194.212.156.121 ] from Petr Marek ( petrmarek@email.cz )
Hi from Czech Republic!(former Czechoslovakia)
I am looking for photos or other documents (list of serials, tactical letter codes etc.) of Bristol
(Westland) 192 Belvedere (only serial-production - no prototypes) twin rotor helicopter. Camouflage Belvederes on field duty are the best!
Send photos, please, to my email!
4/Sep/98 9:49:57 - [ 164.138.21.67 ] from Michel ( brivot.cairoli@wanadoo.fr )
I am looking for the names of heavy helicopters. If somebody could mail me a list of the top 10 helos by capacity. Thanks.
17/Sep/98 12:55:57 - [ 192.58.199.26 ] from Mike Fallon ( mfallon@ix.netcom.com )
Does anyone have any information or pictures of the
Boeing 360 Advanced Technology Demonstrator. It looked
like a sleek H-47 with a composite body, glass cockpit,
and digital flight control. I hear it's sitting up
in a hangar in Philly. Thanks.
17/Sep/98 18:3:32 - [ 209.156.211.4 ] from Anon ( )
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Stick to the subject!
18/Sep/98 7:5:54 - [ 193.158.138.129 ] from Steggewentz Hermann ( hubmus@t-online.de )
Hallo,
beginning INTERNET (in the Hubschraubermuseum Bueckeburg /Germany) I seek any mail-connections about helo-history.
In our provisory homepage www.kulturserver.de/home/hubtest we try it in the socalled "Gaestebuch", but it seems to be better on this helis.com debatepages. Could this be possible?
So I wait a little for any testanswers of You, if You are also interseted in anyway of helo-history.
For instance whos interest is somehow concerned to?:
1. Platt-LePage/Focke connections (1939-...)
2. Flettner-Prewitt-Kaman(?) (1939-...)
3. Boris N. Jurjew (or Yuriev etc.) Golden Medal at IAA exhibition Moscow (1912) for his helo-concept main-tailrotor with swashplate (and flaps)
4. A discussion if Achenbach /Weidenau-Germany 1874 could have invented the main-tailrotor-concept
Have You any historical questions to test our archiv?
Thanks for any mail-reaction Hermann Steggewentz
hubmus@t-online.de 3/Oct/98 12:6:39 - [ 195.250.131.151 ] from Jech ( jechjan@usa.net )
I thing that apache longbow is the best helicopter on the world.
And I'm looking for every information of this model and other american's helicopters.
And if You can give me some informatins of the helicopters and history of helicopters on the world, i will be very happy.
Thank You very much. Hi, Jan.
4/Oct/98 15:14:16 - [ 131.30.28.12 ] from SSgt Gregory Gaunt ( cougar7769@aol.com )
You should contact the Boeing-Philly facility. If not, try the Boeing Website and see what you can find. Try leaving an e-mail. You might get lucky. I remember reading about its testing several years back and it made quite an impression with its speed.
4/Oct/98 15:18:3 - [ 131.30.28.12 ] from G Gaunt ( cougar7769@aol.com )
Sorry. My previous message is intended for Mr. Mike Fallon concerning the Boeing 360 ATD Helo.
9/Oct/98 14:57:44 - [ 208.213.208.130 ] from John Keaveney ( johnkeaveney@targusinfo.com )
Why is every military helicopter named after an indian tribe with the exception of the Cobra? 11/Oct/98 0:45:24 - [ 209.240.200.32 ] from Gy/Sgt. Willard Reeves, Jr. ( Retired ) ( wdrusmc@webtv.net )
The first to loop and roll !! Not just loop !! Why are helicopters named after Indian Tribes?? They are not !! The US ARMY CALLED THEIR'S THAT !! NOT THE US NAVY, NOR "THE MARINES"!! 25/Oct/98 8:35:56 - [ 208.201.152.229 ] from Jessica yang ( hippo.com )
You need to have more history and not like tons of confusing stuff.Because when i am looking for info and I see history ande many pictures I am triiled to see that!But you do have a ok site I have seen better! 28/Oct/98 9:44:11 - [ 131.30.28.12 ] from Kevin Fogg ( RAMPAPE@HOTMAIL.COM )
I have a debate for many helicopter fans that I would like to state. It troubles me that history shows many great designs of helicopters that were built by the US or other countrys in the time frame of 1938-1944 the question is where did these countrys get there information, surly no one person re- invents the wheel every time around. Many designs of rotor dynamics were copied from the Germans, the XR-1 was built by a US company that worked mostly on gryo planes, this design that they came up with looks so much like the german FA223 that it is sick. But they will get the credit for building it first. The germans during the war were advancing beyond any one in rotors, because of how there county was led during the war I belive that history will burry the developments by the engineers of germany. From a great line of a movie I once saw, "Your countrys german scientist developed it, we stoled it then, our german scientist developed it and we put it in a capsol from the brits german scientist. I think the movie is Ice station zebraI belive that more information should show where many of these companys COPIED their designs from. Let me state that I am a Helicopter fanatic, and my opion is one of a fan of history. Please remember this when you read this for Im sure that my statments my offend someone out there. 3/Nov/98 22:58:40 - [ 12.73.230.193 ] from Jay Hendrickson ( RotaryResearchJBH@att.net )
Re: The Platt-LePage XR-1 was not a copy of the FA-223. The early Platt-LePage helicopter designs took several forms during the design process that created the PL-1,through PL-3, that became the XR-1. First Dr.LePage and Haviland Platt were working out the mechanical details of swashplatesand rotor heard designs before they were aware of Prof. Focke's work. Second Dr. LePage went to Germany to view the FA-61, after seeing that some of Prof. Focke's patents were similiar to ideas that Platt and LePage were already working on.Dr. LePage was always an exponent of the Lateral Tandem layout due to the great amount of lift to be generated, among other advantages.All of the Platt-LePage Aircraft, helicopter designs had a large amount of fixed wing area, something that the Focke helicopters never used.Platt-LePage Aircraft broke new ground on a number of area's from Tilt-Rotor proposals that predate most other Tilt-Rotor designs, armed gunship proposals, along wiith tactics that they came up with that mirror how armed helicopters are used today.The story of Platt-LePage Aircraft is very complicated, and most information that has been printed is either incomplete, or innaccurate.Currently I am working on writing the story of what happened with the first Aircorps helicopter program, and will correct a lot of misconceptions.Jay Hendrickson 3/Nov/98 23:10:10 - [ 12.73.230.193 ] from Jay Hendrickson ( )
Incidently, Platt-LePage Aircraft never worked on gyroplanes of any type, their original proposal for their first helicopter (PL-3), was for a two seat 425hp helicopter at a time when the VS-300(a much smaller and lighter machine)had not yet been perfected. Platt-LePage built a very complex and highly powered helicopter, at a time when there was no comparable machine to set the standard. 3/Nov/98 23:24:35 - [ 12.73.230.193 ] from Jay Hendrickson ( )
Early Rotary Wing designers such as Harold Pticairn, Agnew Larsen, Elliot Daland, Dr. Wynn Laurence LePage, Burke Willford, Dr. Alex Klemin, and Igor Sikorsky all contributed to early rotary winged design. If you want to boil it down further, Prof. Focke in Germany obtained a licence to use Cierva/Pitcairn patents to perfect his helcopter designs.While Prof. Focke opened doors in getting his FA-61 up first, many of the advances in cyclic pitch, rotor blade design, and areodynamics came from several areas. With out Jaun De La Cierva, not much would have been accomplished any where. 10/Nov/98 18:50:0 - [ 208.251.191.11 ] from Rebecca ( CHEMSTRIP@Microsoft.com )
I'm looking for the history on the first helicopter. Can any one tell me where I could get this information? 18/Nov/98 15:23:44 - [ 146.7.130.51 ] from mike ( pollux760@AOL.COM )
I am writing a paper on Leonardo da Vinci, so if anyone wants to send me some info, it would be greatly appreciated
19/Nov/98 20:29:9 - [ 38.30.153.115 ] from Tim Tracey ( dragonridge@earthlink.net )
Question....would a counterrotating rotor system with central-spar symmetrical rotorfoils(same lead-ing/trailing edges)be able to fly at low/medium speeds efficiently? Thanks!
1/Dic/98 19:34:5 - [ 205.188.192.177 ] from Mike Weber ( pavegod@aol.com )
Does anyone out there know where I can get plans for a Pitcairn/Cierva Autogiro or one of the Kellett designs?
2/Dic/98 18:8:58 - [ 152.163.197.214 ] from Jamie Coleman and Amanda Donahue ( LilGodyss@aol.com )
Hi. We are doing a project for a history day competetion. We would really appreciate it if anyone had any information on the "autogyro" it would be very helpful to us if you could please send anything to LILgodyss@aol.com or Mande21@aol.com.Thank you very muchJamie & Amanda
4/Dic/98 7:52:23 - [ 156.63.148.87 ] from Doughboy ( )
I think the AH-1 COBRA is the best tank killer of them all.
7/Dic/98 7:6:53 - [ 212.216.42.188 ] from Peter Zanella ( pzanella@iamco.it )
Looking for drawings(top, front, side) of Hughes 500 "The Quiet One" in the configuration used by Air America in its mission to affix the two taps in Vihn, North Vietnam, to monitor North Vietnam's telephone network.Looking also for drawings of S-58Ts.Can anybody help?
8/Dic/98 15:45:22 - [ 193.70.44.5 ] from Carlo Colombardo ( zadem@chierinet.it )
What about PIAGGIO PD3tested in Italy during 1940Proyect by Corradino D'Ascanio ? Tankyou.
11/Dic/98 11:17:16 - [ 38.183.145.35 ] from Sarah Osborn ( sarahb@wingspantv.com )
Hi there,
Mine is actually a question not a comment. I am a
documentary film producer and am about to start
work on a show on Russian helicopters. I have
begun a search for reference material but there
is a notable shortage on detailed information of
printed material on Russian choppers. If anyone
has any ideas or input that might help me, I
would be very grateful. Please feel free to email
any response that you might have.
ps. The show will focus mainly on Mil and Kamov
aircraft.
Thanks
Sarah Osborn
18/Dic/98 10:13:16 - [ 198.176.156.35 ] from Nick Grippi ( nicholas_grippi@bd.com )
I saw an article a few months ago about a micromached helicopter that had an on-board camera. The whole thing was the size of a grasshopper. I can't find the article and wonder if someone out there can send me some references.
Thanks,
Nick
24/Dic/98 4:44:22 - [ 212.25.132.80 ] from Guillermo Gassó ( guillem@apdo.com )
Please, Could you help me to find any info about rotor-tandem helicopters?
Thanks a lot.
Guillermo.
26/Dic/98 20:25:33 - [ 166.72.252.113 ] from Claude S. Sutton, Jr. ( cssutto@ibm.net )
Can anyone direct me to a history of the helicopter as used by the US Army in Europe during 1952-1955?
Which machines and how many?
30/Dic/98 14:18:6 - [ 195.171.237.108 ] from Dave Selby ( daveselby@btinternet.com )
I build and fly model radio control helis in Britain. I want to try a twin rotor coaxial such as a Kamov. Can anyone supply info. Eg Do both rotors go at same rpm? Do both rotors have cyclic and collective ? How are the pitch linkages arranged ?
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